Comments on: ADVICE TO NON-CITIZENS http://cookcountypd.org/blog/2009/09/28/advice-to-non-citizens/ Latest news involving the Cook County Public Defenders Association AFSCME LOCAL 3315 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 01:38:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Bruce Mosbacher http://cookcountypd.org/blog/2009/09/28/advice-to-non-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-5104 Bruce Mosbacher Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:47:50 +0000 http://cookcountypd.org/blog/?p=579#comment-5104 Ruth my dear friend: I am not at all sure that gentleman applies here,but are you saying that if I litigate an otherwise meritorious 4th Amendment motion on behalf of a non-citizen client, the State can get the motion directed out? Bruce Ruth my dear friend:

I am not at all sure that gentleman applies here,but are you saying that if I litigate an otherwise meritorious 4th Amendment motion on behalf of a non-citizen client, the State can get the motion directed out?

Bruce

]]> By: ruth mcbeth http://cookcountypd.org/blog/2009/09/28/advice-to-non-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-5103 ruth mcbeth Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:28:15 +0000 http://cookcountypd.org/blog/?p=579#comment-5103 Dear Gentlemen, You are almost correct. Most of the constitution applies to humans, whether citizens or not. The fourth amendment protects the people, that is, U.S. citizens, according to Supreme Court precedent. Dear Gentlemen, You are almost correct. Most of the constitution applies to humans, whether citizens or not. The fourth amendment protects the people, that is, U.S. citizens, according to Supreme Court precedent.

]]> By: Stu http://cookcountypd.org/blog/2009/09/28/advice-to-non-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-5065 Stu Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:35:50 +0000 http://cookcountypd.org/blog/?p=579#comment-5065 I wonder where or if Joe went to law school. He is clearly not talking about the U.S. Constitution, which as Bruce points out, applies to everyone in the U.S. even if not here legally. Also even in foreign countries our government is bound by the provisions on the Constitution clearly when applied to U.S. citizens but also in some cases to non-citizens. To make matters worse, by Joe's logic, any non-citizen could do what they wanted- rape, murder robbery and be free from prosecution because "in essence our laws really only apply to citizens" Maybe a few of these non-citizens can look Joe up, visit his home and take it over. Since the laws don't apply to them, they have free license to do what they want. They aren't bound by property laws, criminal laws, you name it. Come on Joe you can't be that stupid. I wonder where or if Joe went to law school. He is clearly not talking about the U.S. Constitution, which as Bruce points out, applies to everyone in the U.S. even if not here legally. Also even in foreign countries our government is bound by the provisions on the Constitution clearly when applied to U.S. citizens but also in some cases to non-citizens.
To make matters worse, by Joe’s logic, any non-citizen could do what they wanted- rape, murder robbery and be free from prosecution because “in essence our laws really only apply to citizens”
Maybe a few of these non-citizens can look Joe up, visit his home and take it over. Since the laws don’t apply to them, they have free license to do what they want. They aren’t bound by property laws, criminal laws, you name it. Come on Joe you can’t be that stupid.

]]> By: Bruce Mosbacher, Executive at Large http://cookcountypd.org/blog/2009/09/28/advice-to-non-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-5058 Bruce Mosbacher, Executive at Large Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:43:54 +0000 http://cookcountypd.org/blog/?p=579#comment-5058 Joe: Our laws apply to almost everyone here in the USA, citizen or not. In our courts and jails and prisons you will find plenty of non citizens; be they tourists or resident aliens or completely illegal. Non citizens receive all the benefits of due process including the services of free appointed counsel, interpreters etc in our criminal courts. I'm sure thts true in CA as well. Bruce Joe:

Our laws apply to almost everyone here in the USA, citizen or not. In our courts and jails and prisons you will find plenty of non citizens; be they tourists or resident aliens or completely illegal. Non citizens receive all the benefits of due process including the services of free appointed counsel, interpreters etc in our criminal courts. I’m sure thts true in CA as well.

Bruce

]]> By: Joe http://cookcountypd.org/blog/2009/09/28/advice-to-non-citizens/comment-page-1/#comment-5057 Joe Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:22:57 +0000 http://cookcountypd.org/blog/?p=579#comment-5057 Well, in essence our laws really only apply to citizens. But in the cases where counsel was appointed, I think a defendant should be told that they might be deported for criminal behavior. Well, in essence our laws really only apply to citizens. But in the cases where counsel was appointed, I think a defendant should be told that they might be deported for criminal behavior.

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